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on the founding era. teaches at brown. c-span: his politics? >> guest: i really can't say what his politics are. i don't know that much about it. c-span: his slant? do you know which--i mean, i'm looking at page 46: 'both wood and his critics take it as a given that blacks and women were excluded from the declaration. such is the state of the debate within the historian's guild.' and you quote him earlier, 'gordon wood, widely regarded as the leading historian of political thought of the american founding, asked, "what was radical about the declaration in 1776? we know it did not mean that blacks and men were created equal to men--white men," although, it would in time be used to justify these equalities, too'--you have that in parentheses--'it was radical in 1776 because it meant that all white men were equal. surprisingly, wood was actually trying to defend the founders with this statement.' >> guest: right. i mean, he--the historian's profession, as i understand it, is--right now is being --is divided by a--one group on the far left, who wants to say that the american founding was just totally
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